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Blogmaster: Clarence Klassen

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Jerry Brown, a long time contributor to web handling, recently inquired about the use of pancake motors in web handling. I have not run into them in my experience.

Pancake motors are thin as a pancake (slight exaggeration) and have a large diameter. You may have seen them in some electric lawn mowers or automatic vacuum machines. The pancake shape by itself has no advantage for mounting the motor in web handling equipment. The shape however allows more poles to be put into the motor. More poles results in a slower base RPM for the motor.

In many web handling lines, the motor RPM is not well matched to the roller RPM. Speed reducing gears are required with ratios from 2 to 20 to 200. A slower motor would eliminate the gear and problems associated gears including lubrication, cooling, backlash and mechanical resonances.

I expect that pancake motors will be more expensive than equivalent 4 pole motors and harder to source. This is because there is a cost for each pole. Also, for equal power, a slow motor provides more torque – requiring a larger shaft. In addition, pancake motors have low production rates.

We should keep out eye on the electric car industry. Slow motors shaped like a pancake would have enormous advantages here. Nothing drives down costs like the economies of scale in producing autos.
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#206 Dilwyn Jones
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:06 PM
I have seen them on many large film slitter-rewinders, where each centre-wound slit roll is driven by one or more motors located in the arms that hold the core. The arms are mounted on a beam that slowly rotates to accommodate the roll buildup. There are usually 2 beams, with slit webs going to a roll on each beam in turn across the parent web width. The pancake motor geometry allows the chucks to be driven through a belt drive, and makes the arm manageably narrow so that smaller slit roll widths can be made . Larger rolls can be driven by arms with larger motors or two or more identical arms coupled together (so the torques add together and sufficient tension is available). There may also be proprietary technology considerations - some manufacturers offer pancake motors, others standard motors with gears to transmit the drive through 90 degrees.
A second application is providing additional drive to each transport roller. The main drive sets the reference roller speed and provides the basic speed to the others through a belt. Pancake motors provide additional speed through a planetary gearbox, giving a "hamonic drive". This was developed in the 1980's as a way of controlling roller speeds to 0.01% or better, either to compensate for roller diameter differences or provide a known progression of speeds through the machine.
Friday, October 07, 2011 6:53 AM
Hi, i am interesting to know if you use pancake motor, or servodisc motor for web handling application. Kollmorgen provide pancake type( PMI acquired by Kollmorgen). let me know you need to know more details.

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Clarence Klassen

President. Designated Consulting Engineer with Professional Engineers Ontario (PEO). KlassENgineering was incorporated in 1999. Clarence applies 31 years in the Pulp and Paper industry to solving problems with drives for web handling. He has 10 years experience as a drives engineer with GE Canada and 10 years experience with Opcode Systems Inc., a PLC and Drives Systems Integrator. Much of Clarence's experience was gained in onsite installation of new equipment and troubleshooting of existing equipment. KlassENgineering performs Pre-Start Health and Safety Reviews as required by the Ontario Ministry of Labour.